Im going to get this forum started...
I feel like the best thing I ever did for myself as a guitar player was to buy Fretboard Logic and follow it cover to cover. Because of this book I understand music theory and how to apply it to guitar.
http://books.google.com/books?sitesec=reviews&id=UZIBAAAACAAJ
It makes it very simple to understand chord progressions, scales and modes.
Now if I just could get disciplined enough to read sheet music again... 
I always wanted to play, but it took me till I was 22 to finally sit down and cut my fingers up.
My parents got me a cheap applause acoustic at a garage sale when I was a kid and it was absolutely unplayable. I tried to play it but gave up thinking all guitars were hard to play. It had molded frets that were high and square. It literally cut you when playing.
Parents get your kids a good guitar that is setup correctly please.
When I got fretboard logic it was a revelation. The diagrams are amazing. They lay out the 5 basic chord forms and how they stack up the fretboard.. C-A-G-E-D... probably 80% of guitarist dont even know this little trick...
From those simple five shapes you learn the 5 scale forms and then you learn how modes work simply by changing which note you start and stop on or emphasize.
Then they show you chord progressions... how to make the 7 forms that make up all songs.... 1-2-3-4-5-6-7... major-minor-minor-major-major-minor-diminished.
By the time you finish the second volume you know more than 90% of guitarists.
This allows you to understand that all songs follow a mathmatical formula.. and that you can intelligently break this formula to make interesting song changes or codas.
You will also be able to play along with other people in a way that most others will never know...
Now if I could just focus on some more licks and tricky technique I could advance past mediocrity as an overall player... but I would not trade my knowledge of music and how it works for any licks alone... It really makes you a better song writer and duet/band player when you know what key you are in and what chords work with what...
Hi,
It's not as nicely formulated as Fretboard Logic, but Frank Gambale's method books are also pretty good for music theory. THe mode thing is way easier to grasp when you sit at a piano keyboard and just look down and see the whole thing in front of your eyes--which is where Fretboard Logic comes in.
Ryan,
Thank you for the Fretboard Logic recommendation. I ordered it and am about 1/2 through it: It makes more sense than most any other similar book that I have seen. Things that I've been struggling with just seem to "fall into place."
Ray
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Ryan,Thank you for the Fretboard Logic recommendation. I ordered it and am about 1/2 through it: It makes more sense than most any other similar book that I have seen. Things that I've been struggling with just seem to "fall into place."
Ray
Thanks Ray!
Thats awesome... I have told people about this book for years, even giving it as a gift to several people only to find they were not interested enough to even read it. Its great to hear from someone who got something from this book. I have never seen another book with such elegant diagrams and such a clear and concise breakdown. Its also the way he gradually increases complexity without overwhelming... If you can just remember that there are only really 5 forms to learn on the guitar then it really seems much easier... in hind sight its hard to understand how everyone couldn't know this stuff.
When I say 80% of guitarist don't know C-A-G-E-D.. I think it may be true... of course classically trained guitarist know this and much more but there are so many who play the guitar and dont know anything about the theory, numbers and patterns behind it... thats cool too though... The approach of just learning songs from tab or making up whatever can be equally fulfilling as well I suppose.
Ryan;
Thanks for the turn-on. Do you give lessons using Fretboard Logic? I've seen the book and I've wondered if it's used in a formal way.
Ryan;Thanks for the turn-on. Do you give lessons using Fretboard Logic? I've seen the book and I've wondered if it's used in a formal way.
I don't personally give lessons at all... thought it would be fun methinks... if I only had the time...
I do understand that fretboard logic is very popular for guitar instructors to use in there classes though..
I just taught myself using it and can't imagine what life would have been like without it. I still look at the diagrams for the melodic minor scales though I think this is one area that the patterns start to breakdown or become too complex... you really have to think more about the numbers and know what notes to alter going up and down... for me, all the secrets of western music are embodied in the melodic minor scale... its quite aptly named... ;)
The author, Barrett Tagliarino has another book that is exceptional - Chord-Tone Soloing. It includes the CAGED system approach but is specifically oriented towards soloing based on chord progessions. So, it is not a "rock" book or a "jazz" book per se. The basic idea is to learn enough chords, scales, patterns, arpeggios (based on CAGED) to hit chord tones on strong beats in your solos, regardless of the style you are playing. It really works - my soloing has improved a lot - no longer just licks, although those are useful as well. It will take me a year or two to get thru this one, but it is among the best books I have - the others being the Mark Hanson fingerstyle books.
Thanks for this thread Ryan. I bought Fretboard Logic from Bill Edwards (the author) at his house maybe a year or two ago. Like most educational efforts, I utterly stalled. I tend to think that I have to absolutely master excercises and concepts before moving on, and so I never move on...
I've been playing the 5 shapes for each chord since the first week of owning it. But I still can't just grab any shape at any fret and instantly know what chord I'm playing. Of course, I don't put in the time necessary for this. But after reading your review of the course, I'm going to just plow ahead even though I don't think I'm ready. Because, in all reality, if I wait until I think I'm ready to move along, I never will.
BTW - I bought the 3 book and DVD set - it's really the best deal. And Bill Edwards is a very competent guitarist; I got to sit in his living room and he showed me the practical applications of his method. Very cool, very nice guy, and that means something to me.
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Thanks for this thread Ryan. I bought Fretboard Logic from Bill Edwards (the author) at his house maybe a year or two ago. Like most educational efforts, I utterly stalled. I tend to think that I have to absolutely master excercises and concepts before moving on, and so I never move on...I've been playing the 5 shapes for each chord since the first week of owning it. But I still can't just grab any shape at any fret and instantly know what chord I'm playing. Of course, I don't put in the time necessary for this. But after reading your review of the course, I'm going to just plow ahead even though I don't think I'm ready. Because, in all reality, if I wait until I think I'm ready to move along, I never will.
BTW - I bought the 3 book and DVD set - it's really the best deal. And Bill Edwards is a very competent guitarist; I got to sit in his living room and he showed me the practical applications of his method. Very cool, very nice guy, and that means something to me.
Having studied the Berklee Jazz Guitar Method when I was in school, I was forced to move on from each lesson to the next (ready or not). I still study various aspects of guitar and I don't progress quite like I did back then. One tip a fellow guitarist recently gave me that has worked really well, is to play something different every time you pick a guitar (with the exception of a band rehearsal). Not easy to do when you're obsessing over learning or writing a song, but I've found it has made my playing consistently better. Back in school I would over practice a song, I'd have it down perfect, but often blew it when I would perform it. Basically, I believe it actual helps because you are constantly experimenting in new progressions and unfamiliar territories on the fretboard. Chances are down the road you'll come back to a lesson, or come across something else similar in progression or theory.
Re: Fretboard Logic
Submitted by d_lopes on April 1, 2010 - 8:13am.So... I must admit, I was terrified to click on the "Music Theory" tab because I was certain I would enter in on some discussion that I feel I should know very well but know almost nothing about! I was a music major in college for a year and a half, and never foresaw myself leading musical worship in a church (which I do now... at a mediocre level) otherwise I'm sure I would have stuck with that major. So I've had three semesters of theory during 2000-01. A long time needless say. I have been feeling lately though if I want to call myself a guitar player, or really a musician, I need to work harder at the craft. This book seemed like an excellent suggestion and has loads of good reviews. I just ordered it now, but I am certain it is a good place to start and I hope it gives me some things to talk about here. How long have you been playing, Ryan?
-David