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RainSong JM3000 Jumbo 12-String

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Brian McHale
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I recorded a video review of the JM3000 a while back. The thread I created for it was lost in the great server implosion on the old carbonguitar.com.I occasionally see someone asking about 12-strings (ie "CA vs RainSong 12-String"). I thought maybe I ought to repost this. Also, with Ashvin Coomar from RainSong joining our forumn, I thought this was a good time and place to ask him some questions about the gutiar.

Here is a link to the video review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ9Guzgydf0

Also, in case anyone is interested, here is a song I recorded with the JM3000 (a bit out of season right now):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCRcFKZCiTc

Ashvin, the one question I had regarding the JM3000 is how these are set up at the factory. Are the saddles left a little high so that they can be easily adapted to different playing styles? I bought this in "new" condition on eBay and it was supposedly never played (which I believe). I also think it very unlikely that any setup work was ever done. It looks to me like the saddle could be shaved down just a bit to lower the action without risking fret buzz. I suppose I should measure the action, but I haven't had the chance to do that yet.

Also, Ashvin, is there anything about this model that you think the public ought to know? I think it's got to be one of the best 12-string guitars in the world and I think more people need to know about it.

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Nice videos!

The JM3000, I think, is an ideal showcase for what Carbon can do for the guitar world.  Firstly, there is the extreme tension of 12 strings tuned to concert pitch.  Traditional instruments would need to be heavily braced and overbuilt to support them.  This makes the instrument less responsive, not to mention heavier.  Next, the bellying, shrinking and warping of wood cause the instruments to constantly go out of tune.  The high "creep factor" of wood also causes wooden necks to bow more over time causing the action to rise and make the instruments difficult to play.  When was the last time you walked into a music store to find a wooden 12-string that "played like butter"?

The large Jumbo body (in my opinion) is ideally suited for 12 strings.  The added bass seems to offset the "jangliness" of the 12-strings.  Using our prepreg technology, we are able to make a large body 12-string that still weighs about a pound less than most 6-strings.  The JM3000 is truly a marvelous instrument --- but then again I am biased ;)

As far as your question about setup is concerned -- we build our instruments with the "average player" in mind.  We recommend that players have new instruments set-up so that they can be customized to the player's preferences and playing style.  After all, even if you purchased a Lexus or BMW you would need to adjust the seat to your preference!

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RainSong Graphite Guitars wrote:
After all, even if you purchased a Lexus or BMW you would need to adjust the seat to your preference!

This is a great analogy.

Brian McHale
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Ashvin, thanks for the response. I agree with everything you said and have said most of the same things many times while making the claim that composite construction is the way to go for 12-string guitars. In my opinion, it is virtually impossible to make a great wood 12-string guitar for the reasons you stated. There are some pretty darn good 12-string guitars made out of wood, but compromises have to be made to pull it off.

One of these days I'll probably take it in to get it set up. It really plays quite nicely now, but I can't help the feeling it could be a bit better. One of the problems is that I don't play nearly as much as I ought to, so my hand strength and conditioning and callouses aren't what they should be.

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Hi Ashvin,

I also had a RainSong JM3000 12-string and thought it to be the best 12-string acoustic guitar I've ever played (I've also owned Taylor 12-strings which are considered by many to be the new standard of wooden acoustic 12-string guitars)! The only improvement I can suggest to RainSong, and I'd make the same comment to Composite Acoustics (if they were still around) would be to "roll" the edges of your fingerboards rather than keeping them sharper. Why? A "rolled" or more rounded fingerboard edge will permit players to thumb-fret 6th-string notes easier. I'd suggest applying this rolled fingerboard edge to all your guitars. I haven't played any RainSongs with the new N2 neck, so I don't know how they feel for thumb-fretting.  Thanks for being here!

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RainDance

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This guitar played quite well like it was; any difficulties I was experiencing I attributed to the fact that I don't play nearly as much as I should and a 12-string is always going to require a little more to play. However, two things made me start to question if the action was too high. The first was getting my old Ovation 12-string ready to sell. I was astonished by just how easy it was to play, easier than the JM3000. The other thing that got me thinking was reading comments from folks who said a Planet Waves NS capo worked well on their 12-strings. I had found the opposite, that the NS just couldn't get the job done.

I decided to buy a String Action Gauge from Stew-Mac, figuring it was a tool I ought to own. I then checked out two CAs and the JM3000. My CA Vintage Performer and Xi both were exactly on the CA specs that I've seem (7/64" for bass strings, a bit less for treble, don't remember if it was 6/64" or 5/64"). The JM3000 was significantly higher, so I decided to sand down the saddle. It took me two tries to get it so the action read identical to the two CAs. What a difference! The guitar actually played pretty well before, but it plays spectacularly now. It also has better intonation.

I highly recommended the JM3000 before, but that recommendation has just gotten stronger.

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Jesse Dylan
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Great videos and a darn nice sounding guitar.  Some excellent performing there, too!  Well done, Mr. McHale!

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Thanks, Jesse.

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