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Chrisphobia
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Hey everyone I'm in a pickle and need your help. As some of you know I play pretty crazy guitar with an even stranger rig. I need a small, Issh PA for places that don't have them. I figured the best people to ask would be acoustic guitar players. And hell heres a load of them in one place.. Yeay (-: Let me tell you the stuff you may need to know I sing and use an efects pedal for harmonys and reverb and a little fx from time to time. I don't loop vocals at all. I play 7 strings in both acoustic and electrics,, same guitar. And go as low as A. I would not use a lot of distortion on the electric side. Just solos really. Anyway I have one output for box, Xlr and my acoustic goes into one side of a looper and my electrics and synths into the other so I have 3 outputs in total. Now there's no issue with summing the 2 guitar sides to be honest... Anyway I digress. I was looking at, fishman sa220, hk Lucas nano, yamaha stagepas 500, 2 Yamaha dxr8 or 10, Bose l1 compact. What do you think. I'm talking just up to 150 people MAX. But really 100. And I don't want to be halling around too may boxes. I love the idea of the fishman and even though it's 220w it is a line so that would still spread very well. But? Flip all bass at high volumes. And I do play a bit of bass guitar through my gr-55. So maybe a small sub with that.,,, now I'm starting to answer my own question... Anyway any ideas or EXP with this. Martin? I'm sure you've played through everything in the world now! Cheers lads.

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i haven't tried the Lucas Nano but looks pretty good. what is really your budget? the best PA system i've ever used it the bose L1 model II with bass woofers but it is freaking expensive. i've even seen djs doing parties with it, so you have enough power and bass. Bose has just released a intermediate model, the 1S, and also relased a new bass woofer (the B2) even more powerful. you see the model II everywhere at NAMM and Musikmesse, and i mean everywhere. is by far the most popular system there for product demos

it seems to me that the fishmann can be a bit weak on the bass side, but it is just my impression.

you certainly need a system that has a powerful bass. for your style it is absolutely compulsory

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Kramster is THE guy to write a comparison piece based on experience. I will say that I really like Yamaha's effort with their DXR series.

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I use a Bose Compact a lot with keys and it handles my walking bass left hand well enough. I don't sing .. just instrumentals., Handles acoustic guitar really well...especially using the T1. A mixer works well enough too.
The "FishStick" does not do as well with bass but add a sub and should be pretty good.
Powered speakers are cool... but with no sub have to get 10 or better a 12.
The wee HK sure is small..I only saw it not played with it. The guy who is my with at GC connection says it sounds pretty good but can't do very loud well...he usually knows stuff.

Mr. Whiskey's Unico and Yammy set up is prolly really nice. I love my guitars plugged into the Unico. Yamaha speaker is very good with Bass I would guess.

My Genz Benz Compact 10 with a slave passive speaker has very rich bass and sounds good...not sure how vocals are and less (2) inputs

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Hey Chris,

Again, we don't know what your budget is... but I agree with Martín, the Bose columns seem to do the impossible in spreading sound evenly through a room. There's really no excuse for how expensive they are... except that they sound amazing, they eliminate the need for monitors in most situations, and there's nothing else quite like them, aside from the Fishstick at the lower-priced end.

That said, a modest mixer (Allen & Heath, Yamaha, Mackie) with a couple of small powered speakers can be super (but of course more boxes and cables and such). I've personally played through QSC K8 speakers (8" woofer and some kind of voodoo) and thought my low Bb string was reproduced adequately, even without a subwoofer. (If you really want your A string to rumble, you may need that sub, though.) The K8s are tiny, light, clean, and loud. QSC also makes K10 and K12 models, which are, surprise, woofed with 10" or 12" inch drivers. The Electro-Voice ZXA-1 is supposed to be comparable, even lighter, and less expensive. (Sorry, don't know if all of these brands are available where you live.)

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I personally own a Fishman Loudbox Performer. It has been great, but it doesn't have a ton of bass, as has been mentioned. It has 2x6.5" woofers, and then a mid and tweeter.

I have long lusted after the SWR California Blonde. SWR is actually a bass amp maker, and the california blonde is basically a bass amp with a tweeter. I have loved every one I've ever played. That may be something to consider if you're really looking for a lot of oomph.

As has been said, if you want better coverage, you'll be better off with a column array like the Bose L1 or any of the other competitors.

I believe you're in the UK, correct? You should check out an Italian company called "K-Array". I was lucky enough to go to their demo room at InfoComm this year. They were VERY impressive. I was very impressed with the KB1. I'm an AV consultant, so I typically work more in installed sound, but I had my guitarist hat on when I was listening to this one. It is very portable, and sound amazing for the size. I'd definitely check them out. They're kind of a hidden gem. Sennheiser either bought them, or distributes them in the US, but it's helping them to get a bit more exposure.

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I had never heard of the HK Lucas Nano, so I've been looking for reviews. First thing I found was a promo video in French, so I know that the Nano is supposed to be incroyablement petit, and incroyablement puissant. (No Evan, that is not French for "piss-ant".) Also it is endorsed by one Julien Chillaut (chill out - get it?) who is a "professionel du spectacle".
http://youtu.be/9zsEK8Xop68

Here's an actual review... in Italian. "Doc" Colosanti seemed pretty excited about it, but since he's Italian, that may be his usual mode of expression.
http://youtu.be/CttvT6pIa8Q

As far as I can tell, this is a beautifully designed piece of gear, and the price is tempting. But how big a room/number of listeners can it handle? How well built is it?

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It seems built well and the the small satellite speakers are really wee for sure.. and a couple ways to set them up..I'll try to check them out soon

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Kramster wrote:
It seems built well and the the small satellite speakers are really wee for sure.. and a couple ways to set them up..I'll try to check them out soon

Thanks K, I'm looking forward to your insights.

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Here are some reviews of the HK Lucas Nano 300:
http://www.jhs.co.uk/reviews/hknano_playmusic.pdf
http://www.harmonycentral.com/docs/DOC-2678
http://voicecouncil.com/review-hk-audio-nano-300-pa-system/
The reviews are pretty positive; the Voice Council review is the least enthusiastic, suggesting that a vocalist might run out of headroom in a noisy bar; the one from Harmony Central is by audio guru Craig Anderton, but nothing's official until we hear it from Kramster.

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Uncle; I love your humor and your informations. Stay the course....

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